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| On Jul 19 2006 9:35AM louise.kenny wrote: |
| Just wondering if anyone uses a product called Activ8 (formally known as D-stroy). It claims to kill everything from MRSA to Avian Flu. The rep I spoke with says that most of the trusts in the UK use it. So I would be grateful for any feedback. |
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| On Jul 19 2006 12:58PM david.green wrote: |
| A quick Google search of Activ8 shows this product is marketed by ourworldlogistics.co.uk and that the cidal agent is Dodecylamine (which is a halogen compound). It has been combined with surfactants to give it a cleaning action. Halogens are comprised of chemicals such as iodines, chlorine and bromine but I've been unable to find out which one dodecylamine belongs to. I very much doubt that "most" NHS trusts use it, why not ask the rep to supply names of those who do use it. Your pharmacy dept might be able to help further with its chemical properties. However there are at least 2 other halogen (chlorine) based agents with combined surfactants that I know of, Actichlor-plus and Chlor-clean. |
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| On Jul 19 2006 2:49PM Deborahcontrol wrote: |
Gillian Hodgeson from Leeds was discussing this product at our branch ICNA meeting yesterday so she may have some info or thoughts on it - I think it was with reference to C. diff.
Deb
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| On Jul 20 2006 12:33PM david.green wrote: |
| I need to correct what I wrote concerning dodecylamine. It is not a halogen (I mis-read the information on the website). Activ8 has "halogenated Dodecylamine" as the antimicrobial agent. Dodecylamine is an amine but I've not been able to find anything in the textbooks I have to hand or on the net about their use as hospital environmental disinfectants. There is another company (Amity)currently marketing a product called Virusolve in the UK which has contains amongst other things an amine and they claim the product is sporicidal. |
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| On Jul 26 2006 9:28AM bsap wrote: |
I have also recently been approached about this product Activ8 in relation to its use as a skin and surface disinfectant but can find little on its use. Is anybody in hospital of institutional settings using this product? My enquiry comes from an area where the abuse of alcohol gels from a fire hazzard is a main concern.
A press release from GREENBRIDGE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL LIMITED which was sent to me stated the following;
Jean Lawrence, Chair, of the UK Infection Control Nurses Association (ICNA), said: �A product that is non-toxic and effective against MRSA could offer significant benefits including the ability to decontaminate wards and other clinical settings without expensive closures. Hospitals and community healthcare environments face significant challenges in the battle against MRSA and other micro-organisms. Obviously a product which is non-toxic and environmentally friendly is safer for use in areas where patient care is being carried out.�
Christine Perry, former head of the UK Infection Control Nurses Association and member of Greenbridge�s scientific advisory panel, said: �Activ8 has the potential to have a significant impact on the growing challenge of infection control and prevention worldwide. In addition to making important contribution to the fight against hospital acquired infection, this product has potential to be used in both public and private spaces to help prevent the spread of pandemics like Avian Bird Flu and SARS, and maintain a clean and safe environment.�
Delighted with any feedback on this topic
Siobhan
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| On Aug 14 2006 11:36AM gail.locock wrote: |
This product is becoming the bain of my life!!
Please, can anybody tell me has it been endorsed through the Rapid Review Panel, or is it just someone in the ICNA or HPA said it is a good product.
What are the REAL benefits over what is currently used against C.Diff ie Hypochlorite + detergent e.g. Chlor clean or actichlor plus.
Is anybody using it in an Acute hospital and if so, what did you base your rationale for usage on?
There have been 2 interviews on local TV now with familes who have had a relative with C.diff at our hospital and both times they are asking why we are not using this product.
Am I missing something here?
We use actichlor plus because it follows National Guidance.
I am reluctnat to be brow beaten into using a product because familes and a company say we should. if there is evidence that has gone through the proper channels then we will consider it.
Sorry to be a moaner but I am finding this a very distracting issue and taking me from the REAL job in hand
Gail
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| On Aug 14 2006 2:59PM david.green wrote: |
| A question about this product also appeared on the AMM discussion forum today so I guess this stuff is being heavily marketed. Having looked at the HPA website the Rapid Review Panel published its findings on Activ8 (then known as D-stroy)in May 2005 and concluded "Basic research and development has been completed and the product may have potential value; in use evaluations/trials are now needed in an NHS clinical setting". So why not ask the company to provide references of any trials they have done since then, particularly comparing its efficacy with chlorine. Given that you are following DH/CNO/CMO advice in using a chlorine based disinfectant for C. difficile decontamination (and in the absence of evidence otherwise) then any criticism is probably unfounded. Why not ask your public relations dept to issue a press release? |
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| On Aug 14 2006 5:58PM judy.potter wrote: |
As David states, the bottom line is that this product is not proven in clinical use and as a result the rapid review panel have not given this a high rating stating that it needs clinical trials. Finally, in case you thought differently, the ICNA has not endorsed this product in anyway. We do not endorse products. Clever marketing though.
Judy Potter
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| On Sep 4 2006 7:54PM talbot.carol wrote: |
Never heard of it and certainly don�t use it in South Warwickshire PCT
Carol
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| On Sep 4 2006 7:55PM jb4848 wrote: |
The product no doubt has a material safety data sheet. The claim seems fishy
to me in that one infection is contact spread and the other droplet &
probably aerosol.
Jane Barry
Victoria, B.C.
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